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death counts from drone bombings were lacking for the government it's kind of hard to sort through the descent from asian so that's where i come in a break to set. the world ever seen anything like. here's a disturbing story a kansas city family was completely startled when they discovered a surveillance camera on a tree in their front yard take a look at this. family said it was first learned about the care but last thursday after her father noticed it my dad came through the front door and said big brother is watching us and i don't know what he's talking about so he brings me to the back door and he points out the camera that he spotted while he was walking around the yard took these photos of the camera which he says were pointed at her bedroom her children's room in the backyard where her children play but she says not knowing initially why the camera was put there who put it it was most unsettling unsettling
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indeed someone had been spying in her bedroom and on her children so of course actually the young woman decided to call and report it to the cops but there was nothing to report because as soon as she called the police department they told her that they had been the ones to install the camera to monitor people coming through the woods but the woman claimed this made no sense and she suspects they were attempting to catch her father feeding stray cats she had been on probation for doing in the past year guys this is ludicrous a surveillance state against us is growing exponentially by the day and the rationale to spy on us is becoming ever more trivial at the same time the establishment is making it harder and harder to film them it's an issue our next guest knows very well he's been arrested multiple times for attempts to flip the camera on the cops so to talk about his experience fighting the police state and explain what rights we have i'm joined by ian freeman host of the nationally syndicated radio talk show free to. live and contributor to cop
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a walk in thank you so much for taking the time thanks for having me so you were just arrested a couple weeks ago for recording video in a public place you caught a good majority of the day on camera let's take a look at some of that footage. just because you post a sign it doesn't mean you get to eliminate the freedom of the press and have you actually with the click decision. i'm just going to question i'm going to there is no video by the way. in this town hall now have you heard of that they're just using to shut off the video have you heard of that clicked are you refusing now you're choosing to shut off the video camera i am asking you have you heard of the click decision this is ridiculous man you were here last time when i was recording so you got arrested for disorderly conduct not for filming i mean were they just trying to create a reason and explain why the decision is significant for incidents like this and others like it well sure glick decision was simon clukey was an attorney in boston
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who was recording the police doing something on to another person and of course they arrested him for it and thankfully he's an attorney so it was easy for him to take it court and go all the way that supreme court and get a ruling that basically reaffirms your right as an individual to government bureaucrats when they're on duty in any public place so that's what i was doing there at a town hall that day and the reason they charged me with disorderly conduct is because basically beaten them down on the whole wiretapping claim so disorderly conduct it's always been this catch all or you know any activists doing something or anybody doing something they don't like if they don't actually have a lot of get you with don't go with disorderly conduct or you know resisting arrest or some other catch all they have a handful of catchall and that's one of them so even we know that some states have tried to make laws passed to make filming illegal to film cops i mean are there any
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states that currently have these laws on the books preventing citizens from filming or have the courts kind of held the citizen's rights here. you know i can answer there's fifty different states there are some states like illinois where it's way worse than in other states like wiretapping laws of course some states or two party consent recording states versus one party where you know where for instance the federal law is one party in that if one person knows that there is a recording going on of a conversation then it's completely legal here in new hampshire for instance the two party state where everybody must know who is connected to a conversation that it's being recorded which makes doing undercover video work you know busting a bad business or something or in this case bad bureaucrats very difficult i don't even know what the situation is in massachusetts but it was pretty clear that i wasn't you know undercover or were wiretapping in any way you know surreptitiously or secretly recording so that's why they came after me with
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a disorderly conduct charge and in theory i should be able to beat it but then again the court system always tends to lean towards its own people i mean and being prosecuted by the you know by the same as are running the court and in a lot of cases are your defense attorneys i won't be accepting state attorney to defend me however i think on myself. saying yeah good point i mean every state has has different laws of course complex founder adam mueller having to serve three months in jail for pacifically this recording a conversation trying to i mean they're recording everything that he do so when you're trying to record a conversation or try to expose some sort of corruption of course the law comes down hard on us and i just want to ask you know this technology exists now to surveil their walls cops might have the ability to bring drugs if in dogs to your neighborhood and of course trap wire i mean the extensive surveillance apparatus all across the country collectively what is the biggest problem that arises from the surveillance state and well the over time it's your privacy just keeps getting
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eroded ever further and the old question of the state defenders will add. ask is well if you don't have anything to hide why do you care and the thing is maybe you don't have anything to hide right now but eventually they might decide to make something that you do you legal and then you will have something to hide but by that point it might be too late and of course you always turn that question back around on them you know these government bureaucrats that are arresting camera people left and right what is the they have to hide what are they so afraid of maybe they're afraid that people are going to see that they really are nothing more than just a criminal gang of governments nothing more than a criminal enterprise that's been very successful and they're so brazen they can fly flags out of their offices. we saw at the oscar grant video kelly thomas i would never know and we would never hold these people accountable even though of course initially didn't really get held accountable but i mean without video and without filming the cops we would never know what they're doing and of course the
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chilling effect is really the problem with the surveillance state and you contribute a lot to cop block what rights do people have i don't think a lot of people know that they don't have to allow cops in their home they don't have to allow cops to search their car i mean where can people find out what their rights are just explain all of it more about what people can do to fight the police state well obviously cop lockdown org is a great resource lots of good information there the folks over lecture rights also do a good job of really laying out basic rights for folks and you don't have an obligation to answer the door when the police are there obviously they show you that on their television shows cops for instance is always going to show people answering the door and talking to them you know hollywood movies are always going to show people going to the door and talking to the police so you don't have to do what you see them do on t.v. if the cops come to your house you have no obligation to answer talk to them in any way shape or form if you are driving they do say you know i'm no attorney and but
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they say that you don't have to answer any questions beyond providing you know your license and registration if you're driving if you're sitting in a passenger. you don't have to provide them with anything in most places that i know of so you know for instance you can't be obligated to have a driver's license on you if you are driving people think about these things and they're trained to to answer questions the police are trained to be very intimidating so when the cops tell someone to do something they tend to do it and people need to think twice before they just jump to it and obey whatever it is that they're told to do because it's our obedience that has allowed things to become the way that they are if people would stand up for the rights that they supposedly have then maybe we would actually be able to retain them but as long as people keep giving up their freedoms keep being willing to go along to get along then we'll just keep losing more of it over time is that they just with a little way to look i was just walking around i'm going to stop you and ask you
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you know do you have your idea on you and kind of bully you know that you just said you don't really need to carry an id or show cops an idea right and i were in some states claim that you have to tell them who you are in pain choir and i don't know which states those are and obviously like i said there's a litany of them but they can't possibly obligate you to have an id because it would require you to be going down to some government agency and submit yourself to their id in process you should be able to walk from point a to point b. without carrying identification but that doesn't mean they won't ask you and a car can stop you anywhere and ask you something just like any other human being can stop you on the street and ask you something but you don't have an obligation to answer their questions in fact one of the best things you can do is ask them questions and return you know the old sales outages that he had to ask the questions of swimming and so if you ask them a question am i being detained they usually have to answer that question and if you're not being detained then ask in my free to go and then get out of there and
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go on with your day and be productive good really good point for activists territory. get that firsthand and i've been detained if i'm not you can leave really important thank you so much for breaking all that down it is getting more pervasive and we really do need to know our rights the most important thing we can know in one e-mail and i'm sorry continue to say one of the other most important things you can do is to get together with other people who think like you do so complicated or has the ability to you know kind of syndicate itself if you will or duplicate to other areas that are different chapters around the country but there's a good group of them up here in new hampshire as part of the free state project where liberty minded people are all you know we're collecting in one place so we can be even more effective with our activism not web sites free state project dot org absolutely everyone check out crop locked out or free state project are going to go down to new hampshire and check it out i heard there's a lot of cool stuff going on in freeman host of the nationally syndicated talk show
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kim kim. kim . four years ago president obama gave an unprecedented speech in cairo aimed at
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undoing an era of fraught relations with the muslim world and the speech the newly elected president projected his desire to turn the chapter of the past embark on a new era of mutual understanding diplomacy and friendship and while many in the middle east were hopeful their optimism began to simmer as the arab spring turn into a bitter fall it became evident that palestine would remain ignored so now that obama's been elected for a second term what's the sentiment in the middle east and what actions can we expect from the president now that he's not seeking reelection to talk about all this and more i'm joined by our correspondent rima. thank you so much for coming on thank you for having so really i was reading about many egyptians relieved that obama got elected i want to read you this tweet. is a big sigh of relief from egypt the alternative was just too awful to consider do you think that the sentiment for many that are just so grateful that it's the lesser evil other people think that way it was a choice but we end
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a bad person and a worse a lot of them just think that way however i went through a lot of tweets from the arab world a lot of them just said it doesn't really matter it doesn't really matter if obama got elected or romney got elected they are just two faces or two heads of the same point and the foreign policy if the u.s. is not going to change just because we have obama in power or we have romney i love that a lot of them were. very disappointed with obama that they think having either romney or obama is not just going to be any worse than the past four years. couldn't agree more or less talk about israel you know a lot of people were talking to you during the lead up to the election the saying well here's the lesser of two evils you have romney who would definitely attack iran and then you have obama. who wouldn't attack iran i personally never saw any indication that obama wouldn't attack iran and he said no option was off the table he said that he would draw a hard line he's been catering to netanyahu they've been competing for who can you
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know cater toward you more so i mean really what do you think about vats like just the whole israel situation what do you think should have happened with iran and was there really between the two romney was not going to attack iran if there was an attack on iran it would be either romney or obama does not have it it's not the president who is going to take a decision like that it seems at least in the case of iran because when when romney was talking about iran he was talking about harsher out sanctions just what obama's doing right now i don't think either one of them is if he's going to go. to start a war against or to want to wage a war against iran it's not necessarily obama or romney if that decision is made that decision is made it's not romney is not going to start it obama is not going to start it just the same thing is a little bit of. you know it was for romney just because romney is much more
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closer to the red line and he wanted to i i. was i did a lot of reading about this seems as if people have mixed feelings about. feels right now that obama got reelected we have to mention that under obama's administration israel got more military aid and then under any other administration and they know that they realize that so for them to set the bar even higher wanting you asked to go. to another war just because they think that the red line should be here and there and i think even not yet on himself believes that this is probably too much let's just give it a shot try and if it were out there yeah it works or it doesn't. but it doesn't work it is amazing that the bar just continues to be higher and higher in terms of . the money that the military support. let's let's shift to
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syria i mean are two just in an exclusive interview with the. assad do you think that obama was waiting for reelection to really deal with syria i mean it's kind of something we can't ignore. the international community kind of has its eyes on the country what do you think's going to happen now that the reelection i think the arab world is divided over this some people say obama's not going to change his policies on syria he didn't have a chance before didn't use it he's not going to change now he has a lot more at stake at home to take care of. them are wary of another war they're just not going to do another war for syria or in syria however a lot of people think that no the u.s. was just waiting for the elections to be over to store not necessarily a buffer zone but maybe more military aid to the opposition not necessarily again through the you wow but through maybe other countries like saudi arabia qatar turkey you know any player on the ground so i mean we don't know exactly what's
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going to happen but we we do have indications cameron the prime minister of england right after the election the reelection of obama was talking about a new plan for syria does that mean that they're going to do something in syria you know more probably more military aid again we don't know again this is something that's the fighting there and they just cannot see a clear policy from obama towards the middle east. just that he's not going to start that i mean he's going to die there just like gadhafi and we heard them talk about the no fly zones there's a lot of talk a lot of rhetoric being thrown around so it'll be very interesting to see how that plays out. let's talk about palestinian statehood palestine is seeking statehood israel buildings settlements you know twelve hundred. completely just his unabashed
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lawlessness just moving forward with these settlements do you think anything is going to change now that obama is reelected i mean a lot of people are hopeful thinkin o. maybe now that he doesn't have one eye on the elections. elections and another eye on domestic issues basically economy maybe he can do something about the palestinian israeli special because he was so enthusiastic in the first hour just had so many hopes and he just laid them out in cairo everywhere honestly i believe that he probably realizes there is nothing that he can do about it not when that now is in power not when lieberman is in power not when they simply continue to build settlements to. even put more checkpoints between cities there simply dividing the country making it impossible for the palestinians to create there to create their own country or establish their own country and the bit at the
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u.n. there's really is a readiness for in the palestinians they have the tax money that they're withholding and they can you know do even or take more measures against the palestinians and is obama willing to maybe exercise pressure and as well that's something that a lot of people think well you know you have to lobby you have the congress you have a lot of players here not enough to not going to be the case not in the you know not in the first year at least was just seems like obama could at least condemn the fact that israel is violating international law by building an encroaching on post and then just like the rest of the international community france and and all these countries are saying we don't we condemn this we don't agree with this so for obama to just kind of sit back and just totally ally himself with israel is just. i think an insult really and you know let's see if anything changes i fear that it won't hope that you know things do move forward thank you so much for coming on via
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really push your time thank you. i want to get serious i want to talk to you about torture but more importantly the impunity for torturers recently i learned about two u.s. military contractors who claim that u.s. forces detained and tortured them in two thousand and six after they blew the whistle on their employer for illegally running guns the two have since filed a lawsuit against former secretary of defense donald rumsfeld claiming that rumsfeld himself is the one who approved of the torture of the so-called harsh interrogation techniques used on prisoners however the seventh circuit court of appeals said that they don't have the right to sue rumsfeld or anyone else in the military chain of command for that matter now as shocking as it seems for our military to torture whistleblowers who have nothing to do with the forces we're fighting against sadly this story is not unique and u.s.
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forces abroad operate and knew from accountability every time we hear about rape and murder torture or destruction of property it's always dismissed out of the adage war is hell well that's not good enough. take the case of don lemon a paramedic for the defense contractor kellogg brown and root a subsidiary of good old a halliburton following a rocket attack near her living quarters in southern iraq dawn woke up covered in blood she had been raped and sodomized by an american soldier and one of her very own our colleagues said of her lawyer taking action to support her leaman was ordered by her superiors to keep quiet instead but as despicable as don lemon's cases there are countless others like the story of jamie lee jones who was raped by multiple men and k.b.r. camp in iraq when she spoke out about the incident k.b.r. guards locked her in a shipping container and threatened to fire her if she tried to leave or tell
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anyone about what happened jamie finally was able to get out and filed a lawsuit against how the burn and its subsidiary now i wish i could say that this story has a happy ending but it doesn't and this is the part that really makes me sick and examination by army doctors showed that she had been raped both valiantly and analeigh but the rape kit suddenly disappeared after it was handed over to k.b.r. officials not only did jamie lose the case in court but k.b.r. countersued her wanting her to pay the two million dollars they spent in court fees and also for slandering their name home i'm so sorry caveat that torture rape an unlawful detainer it's bad p.r. for you you know it would be a lot easier to sympathize with k.b.r. if this was an isolated incident and if they held the rapists accountable but as we know this other lawlessness with military contractors is systematic this is just another example of the horrible nightmare that is u.s. involvement in iraq don't forget or forget who the number one proponent for the war
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was dick cheney who as it turns out was a former halliburton see what a surprise now as much as obama would like to have everyone believe that the war in iraq is over he's left behind a huge contingent from the state. i mean along with tens of thousands of armed private contractors who operate above the law but seriously can you blame the people that the u.s. government hires when the us government itself was the one approving torture and creating a legal framework for it people are hurt their lives are ruined forever and all they want is justice but they won't get it because what we're left with today is a culture of impunity where our president has declared that looking forward is more important than restoring the rule of law and holding the war criminals accountable centrally what obama has done is normalize this criminality. and all of the cases
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and with the government just passing the buck this missing them is just a few bad apples but when the courts are throwing out lawsuits against the people that authorize torture and abuse what we're left with is a two tiered justice system who's left to decide who's to blame but yeah let's just forget about it we've got four more years to just look forward right. i mean so the only city in europe on the host of the twenty fourth she went through the thick of it. thank you. so much. thank you.
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